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[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago

My prediction is that this going to turn out to be hype for the most part. We'll definitely see some advances in AI happening, but I'm far more skeptical about the wild claims about full automation. I think what we're seeing is companies riding the hype wave and trying to get investments while this tech is looking really hot. Like you said, we'll see where we are in a decade or so.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 hours ago

Right, but how much support do these bots need behind the scenes. Somebody has to do maintenance on them, somebody has to be able to decide whether they're functioning properly, whether they have problems that need to be addressed, etc. Hence why I think there will still be need for workers. It's just the nature of work is going to be around making sure the robots are operating smoothly. You'd probably need a relatively small workforce, but I don't think you could eliminate it entirely by 2040.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 hours ago

Given how all the western leaders had canned statements ready to go within minutes, there was clearly no way anybody in the west would want to hear that it wasn't foul play.

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[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 17 hours ago

We don't really know where the plateau for the current AI techniques is. A lot of what we see looks impressive, but it's very superficial in practice. Pretty much all AI today boils down to feeding huge volumes of data into a neural network that ends up creating a compressed representation of the data, and then doing stochastic predictions based on that model. This is great for doing stuff like text or image generation, but it simply doesn't work for any applications where there's a specific correct result needed. What's worse is that use of such systems to control things in the physical world is incredibly dangerous as we're seeing with self driving cars.

Since the neural net is simply comparing numbers together to make decisions it doesn't have any understanding of what it's actually doing in a human sense. It's not able to explain the reasoning behind its decisions to a human or even guarantee to understand human instruction. And it's not aware of its own limitations.

In order to make an AI that can replace a human decision maker it would need to have an internal representation of the physical world that's similar to our own. Then we would have to teach it language within the context of the world. This is how we could build an AI that can be said to understand things and that we have a shared context with allowing us to communicate in a meaningful way. People are experimenting with this stuff, but this sort of stuff is still in very early stages, and it's not clear that techniques used for LLM models will work well for this approach.

I'd caution to be highly skeptical regarding AI claims we're seeing because most of these claims are made by people who have very little understanding of how this stuff actually works, and whose job is to sell this tech to the public. Pretty much none of the actual experts in the field share this optimism.

Of course, nobody knows what the future brings and we might make some amazing breakthroughs in the coming years. However, given what we know right now, there's little reason to expect this sort of exponential growth to continue for long. It's also worth noting that we've already gone through a wave of similar hype back in the 80s where people started getting really impressive results with neural nets and symbolic logic, but scaling that turned out to be much harder than anybody anticipated.

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fair I haven't found any collaboration either outside Israel, will take it down

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[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Oh please do explain to us how Ukrainian military intelligence chief is shilling for Putin. This ought to be good.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

Oh I know how fancy boston dynamics robots are, but you gotta remember that a lot of that is scripted. Boston dynamics figured out how to make a neural net that can produce really fluid movements and keep balance, but somebody still has to control the robot and tell it what to do. You also need to repair the robots, do maintenance, etc. Until we have AGI, humans are still going to be needed to do a lot of work.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah it's a complete fantasy. It literally takes thousands of people on Earth to keep a small crew alive on the ISS. We're nowhere close to being able to make self sufficient colonies on another planet.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

This is a good example of capitalism optimizing for the wrong thing. We often hear people say that capitalism is efficient, but the context of what it's efficient at accomplishing is crucial. In this case, capitalism is efficient at creating a lot of profit while being incredibly inefficient at actually ensuring that the food being produced ends up in the hands of people who need it.

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[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

the paper seems to disagree

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 day ago

Seems like the main goal was to just convince the public that Europe is no longer dependent on Russia for energy. In that sense they succeeded, since a lot of Europeans now believe this.

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