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[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 143 points 1 month ago

Well yeah, they're enough to meet the minimum use cases so they can upsell most people on expensive RAM upgrades.

That's why I don't buy laptops with soldered RAM. That's getting harder and harder these days, but my needs for a laptop have also gone down. If they solder RAM, there's nothing you can (realistically) do if you need more, so you'll pay extra when buying so they can upcharge a lot. If it's not soldered, you have a decent option to buy RAM afterward, so there's less value in upselling too much.

So screw you Apple, I'm not buying your products until they're more repair friendly.

[-] akilou@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 month ago

I had a extra stick of RAM available the other day so I went to open my wife's Lenovo to see if it'd take it and the damn thing is screwed shut with the smallest torx screws I've ever seen, smaller than what I have. I was so annoyed

[-] tal@lemmy.today 57 points 1 month ago

smallest torx screws I've ever seen

Torx is legitimately useful for small screws, because it's more resistant to stripping than Phillips.

Now, if they start using Torx security bits or some oddball shapes, then they're just being obnoxious. But there are not-trying-to-obstruct-the-customer reasons not to use Phillips.

[-] generichate1546@lemmynsfw.com 18 points 1 month ago

IFixit kit is a great toolset from the site that has every type of bit in it.

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[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The real question is why you don't have a complete precision screwdriver set.

[-] akilou@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 month ago

I thought I did! Until I got the smallest one out and it just spun on top of the screw

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[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 67 points 1 month ago

Tim Apple be like "We've tried charging more money. Have we tried charging more money and delivering less stuff in exchange?"

[-] goatman360@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Yes, they do constantly. Yet, people still keep buying. I hate that I have to use Apple for my job because of the software and interface is exclusive.

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[-] june@lemmy.dbzer0.com 62 points 1 month ago

I was using my 2016 (or so) MacBook Air the other day and getting low memory errors. I thought, wow, this thing only has 8 gb, maybe it's time to upgrade, just to see this 😐

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[-] rasakaf679@lemmy.ml 54 points 1 month ago

Why tf can't they sell mac with upgradable parts?? They are "so" into renewable and recycling stuff and saving planet and stuff. Then they should start selling shits with upgradable parts. Even cpu's if possible. Now apple fan boys argue with that. And don't bullshit me with soc should be near cpu for faster optimisation they can redesign the mobo.

[-] accideath@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago

There are legitimate advantages of the RAM being soldered right next to the SoC. However, if anyone could figure out how to create a proprietary RAM module, that slots in right next to the SoC (or even just an SoC module including RAM) that can be swapped out and that doesn‘t have any meaningful performance impact, it would be Apple. Just that it never could be Apple…

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[-] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

Because that gives the user as much or more control over the device as Apple themselves have. One of the fairly consistent things about Apple over the years has been a desire to maintain tight control for themselves over the products they make.

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[-] horse@lemmy.world 49 points 1 month ago

There is exactly one reason why they do this: So they can charge you $200 to upgrade it to 16GB and in doing so make the listed price of the device look $200 cheaper than it actually is. Or sometimes $400 if it's a model where the base model comes with a 256GB SSD (the upgrade to 512GB, the minimum I'd ever recommend, is also $200).

The prices Apple charges for storage and RAM are plain offensive. And I say that as someone who enjoys using their stuff.

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[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 49 points 1 month ago

Common apple L

[-] kamen@lemmy.world 46 points 1 month ago

Yeah, sure. Even if what they say about the OS resource usage is true, it's only a fraction of the total usage. A lot of the multiplatform software will use the same resources regardless of the OS. Many apps eat RAM for breakfast, doesn't matter if it's content creation or software development. Heck, even smartphones these days have have this much or more RAM.

I won't argue, I just won't buy an Apple product in the near future or probably ever at all.

[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 month ago

buys [insert price] laptop, top of the line, flagship, custom silicon, built ground up to be purpose specific.

Opens final cut pro: crashes

ok...

[-] Retrograde@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

Especially paired with Apple's 128gb integrated, non replaceable hard drives. Whoops you installed all of Microsoft office? Looks like you have no room to save any documents :(

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[-] Veraxus@lemmy.world 44 points 1 month ago

My basic web dev Docker suite uses about 13GB just on its own, which - assuming you were on 16GB (double Apple’s minimum) - wouldn’t leave much for things like browser tabs, which also eat memory for breakfast.

A fast swap is not an argument to short-change on RAM, especially since SSDs have a shorter lifespan than RAM modules. 16GB remains the absolute bare minimum for modern computing, and Apple is making weak, ridiculous excuses to pocket just a few extra bucks per MacBook.

[-] dullbananas@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 month ago

My basic web dev Docker suite uses about 13GB just on its own

Skill issue

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[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I bought one of the early M1s and bought into a lot of the early reviewers that claimed 8 was enough on the ARM architecture. Honestly, for most folks, it’s probably fine. For me, it’s not.

My wife and I use the M1 has a multi-account family machine. And we’re both experience design directors, so we both have RAM hog design apps open under our accounts. The poor little Mac just can’t handle all that abuse with 8 gigs.

Our old ass Intel Mac with 16gig of RAM had no problems keeping a ton of crap open.

The battery life and low heat are absolutely amazing on the M1. That stuff was a monumental upgrade. But we absolutely can’t be lazy and just leave crap open unless it’s actually needed.

The fact that Apple is selling “Pro” machine with 8 gigs is a joke. 8 would be fine for my folks who fart around on Facebook all day, but it’s not enough for a lot of heavy multimedia work.

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 34 points 1 month ago

8GB RAM is what my phone has.

Having that in a laptop shows what they think of people buying their kit. They think you're only buying it so you can type easier on Facebook.

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[-] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago

As engineers, we should never insert proprietary interfaces into our designs. We shouldn't obfuscate the design.

The motivation for these toxic practices comes from the business side because it's profitable. These people won't share the profits with you because they are psychopaths. Ultimately we are making more waste when electronics cannot be upgraded, maintained and repaired. It's bad for people and it's bad for the environment.

[-] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

So much stuff in both the hardware and software world really annoys me and makes me think our future is shit the more I think about it.

Things could be so much better. Pretty much everything could be open and standardised, yet it isn't.

Software can be made in a way that isn't user-hostile, but that's not the way of things. Hardware could be repairable and open, without OEMs having to navigate a minefield of IP and patents, much of which shouldn't have been granted in the first place, or users having no ability to repair or upgrade their devices.

It's all so tiresome.

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[-] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 26 points 1 month ago

Of course they do.

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 month ago

Granted, I'm a developer and my dev ide already uses a good 10+GB, I have probably hundreds of tabs and windows open over 6 desktops... But I got 64GB, and I'm considering upgrading to 128, and these clowns think 8 is okay today? My development laptop of like 10 years ago has 8GB

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[-] dukatos@lemm.ee 24 points 1 month ago

Apple is acting like this article does not exist.

[-] anhydrous@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

My X220 and T520 each have 16GB. The designed max was actually "only" 8GB, but it turns out 16 GB actually works. I replaced the RAM modules myself without asking Lenovo for permission. Those models came out in 2011.

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[-] Yerbouti@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 month ago

My students with the 8gb version struggle to do basic audio work with only a few plugins. This is BS from apple. Unless you use your computer only for web browsing, in which case you shouldn't get a stupid mac in the first place.

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[-] nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de 16 points 1 month ago

Even the PC manufacturers selling "gaming" PCs using integrated graphics aren't usually this brazen about it.

[-] mhague@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Isn't "it's good enough for most users" a little too close to "it's good enough to be bought, used for a bit, and then tossed"? Usually computers that were adequate for X stop being able to do X. There's little to no margin and you can't upgrade it?

[-] jenny_ball@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

i have more ram on my old gpu apple sucks

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[-] paraphrand@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Even if they are right, no one cares and it will always be a bad look.

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[-] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

I get upgrades help the bottom line but considering that 8GB of RAM chokes the silicon they are allegedly so proud of... seems like a slap in the face to their own engineers (and the customer as well but that is not my point).

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Lmao I'd take my chonky ass dell laptop with expandable ram any day of the week

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