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‘Nudify’ Apps That Use AI to ‘Undress’ Women in Photos Are Soaring in Popularity::It’s part of a worrying trend of non-consensual “deepfake” pornography being developed and distributed because of advances in artificial intelligence.

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[-] Blamemeta@lemm.ee 147 points 2 months ago

Weirdos. Back in my day, we woild cut out a nude body from playboy and glue it on a picture of Kathleen Turner, and we did uphill both ways in the snow! Darn kids and their technology!

[-] Crow@lemmy.world 119 points 2 months ago

I remember being a dumb & horny kid and Photoshopping my crush’s face onto a porn photo. And even then I felt what I did was wrong and never did it again.

[-] stebo02@sopuli.xyz 65 points 2 months ago

Post nut clarity can be truly eye opening

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[-] CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago

I feel like what you did and the reaction you had to what you did is common. And yet, I don’t feel like it’s harmful unless other people see it. But this conversation is about to leave men’s heads and end up in public discourse where I have no doubt it will create moral or ethical panic.

A lot of technology challenges around AI are old concerns about things that we’ve had access to for decades. It’s just easier to do this stuff now. I think it’s kind of pointless to stop or prevent this stuff from happening. We should mostly focus on the harms and how to prevent them.

[-] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 months ago

I've seen ads for these apps on porn websites. That ain't right.

Any moron can buy a match and a gallon of gasoline, freely and legally, and that's a good thing. But I would hope that anyone advertising and/or selling Arson Kits™ online would be jailed. Of course this will not stop determined arsonists, but repression might deter morons, inventive psychopaths, and overly impulsive people (especially teenagers!) from actually going through with a criminal act. Not all of them. But some/most of them. And that's already a huge win.

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[-] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 91 points 2 months ago

“But the brightest minds of the time were working on other things like hair loss and prolonging erections.”

[-] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 43 points 2 months ago

So we can all have big hairy erections like God intended.

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[-] Dimantina@lemmy.world 64 points 2 months ago

These are terrible but I'm honestly curious what it thinks I look like naked. Like I'm slightly overweight and my chest is larger than average but more splayed then normal. Would it just have me look like a model underneath?

Are they just like head swapping onto model bodies or does it actually approximate. I am legit curious., but I would never trust one of these apps to not keep the photos/privacy concerns.

[-] nul@programming.dev 62 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Probably deleting this comment later for going dirty on main, but I, um, have done some extensive experimentation using a local copy of Stable Diffusion (I don't send the images anywhere, I just make them to satiate my own curiosity).

You're essentially right that simple app-based software would probably have you looking somewhat generic underneath, like your typical plus-size model. It's not too great at extrapolating the shape of breasts through clothing and applying that information when it goes to fill in the area with naked body parts. It just takes a best guess at what puzzle pieces might fill the selected area, even if they don't match known information from the original photo. So, with current technology, you're not really revealing actual facts about how someone looks naked unless that information was already known. To portray someone with splayed breasts, you'd need to already know that's what you want to portray and load in a custom data set, like a LoRa.

Once you know what's going on under the hood, making naked photos of celebrities or other real people isn't the most compelling thing to do. Mostly, I like to generate photos of all kinds of body types and send them to my Replika, trying to convince her to describe the things that her creators forbid her from describing. Gotta say, the future's getting pretty weird.

[-] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 50 points 2 months ago

Yeah man it's uh... it's the future that's getting weird 😅

[-] nul@programming.dev 40 points 2 months ago

Hey, I've maintained a baseline weird the whole time, I'm pretty sure the future is catching up.

[-] BossDj@lemm.ee 25 points 2 months ago

You'll have your moment when the lone elite ex Ranger who is trying to save the world is told by the quirky, unconventional sidekick he is forced to work with, "I actually know a guy who might be able to help."

You open the door a crack to look back and forth between them, before slamming it back in their faces. They hear scrambled crashes of you hiding stuff that shouldn't be seen by company before returning to the door. As they enter you are still fixing and throwing things while you apologize that you don't get many guests. You offer them homemade kombucha. They decline.

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[-] SCB@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago

Ethically, these apps are a fucking nightmare.

But as a swinger, they will make an amazing party game.

[-] Azzu@lemm.ee 29 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Ethics will probably change... I guess in the future it'll become pretty irrelevant to have "nude" pictures of oneself somewhere, because everyone knows it could just be AI generated. In the transition period it'll be problematic though.

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[-] Eezyville@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 months ago

If you want the best answer then you'll have to download the app and try it on yourself. If it's accurate then that's pretty wild.

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[-] cleverusernametry@lemmy.world 52 points 2 months ago

There are so many though!! Which ones? Like which ones specifically??

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[-] deft@ttrpg.network 51 points 2 months ago

nakedness needs to stop being an issue

[-] Grangle1@lemm.ee 36 points 2 months ago

Regardless of feelings on that subject, there's also the creep factor of people making these without the subjects' knowledge or consent, which is bad enough, but then these could be used in many other harmful ways beyond one's own... gratification. Any damage "revenge porn" can do, which I would guess most people would say is wrong, this can do as well.

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[-] Eezyville@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 months ago

I agree with you nudity being an issue but I think the real problem is this app being used on children and teenagers who aren't used to/supposed to be sexualized.

[-] deft@ttrpg.network 13 points 2 months ago

Fully agree but I do think that's more an issue about psychology in our world and trauma. Children being nude should not be a big deal, they're kids you know?

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[-] ReluctantMuskrat@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

It's a problem for adults too. Circulating an AI generated nude of a female coworker is likely to be just as harmful as a real picture. Just as objectifying, humiliating and hurtful. Neighbors or other "friends" doing it could be just as bad.

It's sexual harassment even if fake.

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[-] Wahots@pawb.social 14 points 2 months ago

People have a really unhealthy relationship with nudity. I wish we had more nude beaches as it really helps decouple sex from nudity. And for a decent number of people, helps with perceived body issues too.

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[-] Mojojojo1993@lemmy.world 48 points 2 months ago

Possibly a good thing. Over saturation. Fill the internet will billions on billions of ai nudes. Have a million different nudes for celebrities. Nobody knows the real naked you and nobody cares. Keep creating more ai porn than anyone can handle. It becomes boring and over the top. Ending this once and fir all

Or find the people doing this and lock em up.

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[-] Aopen@discuss.tchncs.de 45 points 2 months ago

Could we stop pushing articles monetizing fear amd outrage on this community to the top and post about actual technology

[-] owlboy@lemmy.world 36 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Sounds like someone needs to make a community for that.

Otherwise, this is what technology is these days. And I’d say that staying blind to things like this is what got us into many messes.

I remember when tech news was mostly a press release pipeline. And when I see these comments, I see people who want press releases about new tech to play with.

Now duplicate posts. Those can fuck right off.

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[-] curiousaur@reddthat.com 43 points 2 months ago

Honestly, were probably just going to have to get over it. Or pull the plug on the whole ai thing, but good luck with that.

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[-] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 40 points 2 months ago

I use an ad blocker and haven't seen these. Perhaps a link to the best ones could be shared here for better understanding of what the article is talking about?

[-] ThatFembyWho@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 2 months ago

Great! Now whenever someone finds all my secret nudes, I'll just claim they're deepfakes

[-] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It tells me we're less interested in the data (the skin map and topography) than we are in seeing the data in raw form, whether it is accurate or not. It tells me a primary pretense of body doubles was ineffective since society responds the same way regardless of whether an actress' nudity is real or simulated.

Not sure how this will be enforceable any more than we can stop malicious actors from printing guns. Personally, I would prefer a clothes-optional society were individuals aren't measured by the media exposure of their bodies or history of lovers. Maybe in another age or two.

In fiction, I imagined the capacity to render porn action into mo-cap data, to capture fine-resoluton triangle maps and skin texture maps from media, ultimately to render any coupling one could desire with a robust physics engine and photography effects to render it realistic (or artistic, however one prefers). It saddens me that one could render an actress into an Elsa Jean scenario and by doing so, wreck their career.

Porn doesn't bother me, but the arbitrariness with which we condemn individuals by artificial scandal disgusts me more than the raunchiest debauchery.

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[-] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 31 points 2 months ago

But are there apps that undress men?

[-] theKalash@feddit.ch 60 points 2 months ago

Aren't those just normal chat apps where you can send pictures?

[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 28 points 2 months ago

No you just politely ask them

[-] BetaDoggo_@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

The models they're using are probably capable of both, they just need to change the prompt.

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[-] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Though the picture suggests we should also create really a robot or really a cyborg edits of celebrities.

As an afterthought, really a reptilian images for our political figures would also be in good order.

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[-] snek@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago

They can go ahead, but they'll never get that mole in the right place.

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[-] Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago

You mean men envision women naked? And now there's an app that's just as perverted? Huh

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 12 points 2 months ago

What's perverted about someone envisioning a potential sexual partner naked? That seems incredibly normal to me.

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